I recently sat down with my friend, Karen Shell, in her
home here in Toronto, Ohio to discuss the writing craft. I’ve known Karen and
her family for over a quarter of a century. At one point, we lived on opposite
sides of the same duplex wall. So when we discovered our mutual desires to
break into publishing, we became crit buddies. She proofed and offered some
valuable stylistic advice before I released the second edition of my novel, Extreme Unction, and she has also
proofed a novella in the series which I am currently shopping to various anthologies.
Meanwhile, I am proofing and critiquing the current version of her epic futuristic
sci-fi “history,” A Greater Plan Than
This.
Set on a geographically unrecognizable version of Earth
over a thousand years in the future, A
Greater Plan Than This involves an intricate plot about government spying,
empire building, space colonization and seeding, and one family’s efforts to
set things right. Karen has been toiling on this book for a decade and a half,
making alterations, researching contemporary ideas in physics, and diagraming
family trees, story arcs and anything else that might make the story more
compelling. She has it all organized in two three-ring binders each over two
inches thick full of marginal notes, sketches of Greek characters and MC Escher
optical illusions.
As we shared some unsweetened blackberry/pom iced tea, I
dived into the conversation with a standard interviewer’s query.
Me: So how long
have you been writing?
Karen: Since I was probably ten.
What kind of stuff
did you write when you were ten?
I tried to write books that would be similar to Nancy
Drew. It was going to be a series, and my protagonist was Francis Forrest. The
first one was Francis Forrest and the
Giant Amoeba. (Laughter) And I started writing autobiography, and I
remember one of the chapters was The
Coming of the Kids, because at first it was just me. I was the oldest in my
family, and then all of these brothers and sisters come along. Then in High School
I would write short stories for my girlfriends who also wrote short stories for
me; Our Crushes. You know they would
be little romantic stories.
Binders and notes for Karen's novel. |
So who are your influences?
More recently Anne Rice I like, and of course I read Mark Twain who I love. Then I got into reading more non-fiction, so... I don’t know what to tell ya. I didn’t anticipate this question. (Laughter) I might think of it later. Then you can add.
More recently Anne Rice I like, and of course I read Mark Twain who I love. Then I got into reading more non-fiction, so... I don’t know what to tell ya. I didn’t anticipate this question. (Laughter) I might think of it later. Then you can add.
We’ll append.
Mmm-hm.
The story that
you’re working on right now is in the science fiction genre. Is that something
you’ve always wanted to write in?
I enjoy science fiction. I guess I could say Ray Bradbury
was one of my influences, Isaac Asimov. I took a science fiction
literature class while I was at Bowling Green - which is a lot of reading. We read Dune, and that was one of ten books. I just like the genre.
I didn’t exactly mean to start writing in it, but I envisioned another world,
and so that takes you there, you know?
To me as I’m reading
your material I see a lot of Heinlein as far as the family relationships. Have you
read any of the Howard series?
Nope.
What have you
published in the traditional publishing realm?
Actually I’ve had music published, and I’ve had two or
three poems published throughout my life, but never anything in prose, so this is
new.
That’s a long
endeavor for one…
I know. (Laughter) Well, I started in
1998, and after I got through it, you know life went on, but the characters
lived. It’s like I haven’t seen these people in a long time. It’s almost as if
they were real; and I had to keep coming back to it. It hasn’t let me go. It’s
got me … you know.
The characters are
very well written and the story is plotted very well so it seems like something
that you’ve done before and that you’ve developed this ability to write. The
fact that you’re saying that this is your first endeavor at this kind of thing
is really impressive, because usually the first couple of stories that you
write in a new genre are just practice. So there’s
no practice here. If you’re going to commit this much time to it.
Well this is my third re-write of it. So
the first one was kind of like the practice one. And I liked it well enough. Then I went through and fixed it up a little bit. Then after a few years went
by I re-read the book and there was the first part of it – I wasn’t crazy
about, but as the book went on I thought – oh, I like this story! I still like
it! And so I wanted to get back to that.
So are you trying
to work out whatever kinks you saw in the beginning?
Right. Yeah. In fact, I did send it out in that
version - in the second version to six publishers. Five of them came back
normal rejections. One of them was – we really considered this, but thought it
would mean a little bit too much work. They only did like six books a year or
something like that. They were very small, and they didn’t want to spend that
much time with it, but that I should work on the dialog. And I had sent I think
maybe just the first chapter, and because the book developed much more
than I knew was going to happen when I wrote that first chapter, I had a big
re-write there, and it was daunting, but...
Are you going to
consider that same publishing house when you are ready to publish again?
I think so.
Have you tried
agents at all?
No.
Here we went off
topic on a tangent about agents vs publishers.
So what are your
plans for the world that you’ve created for the future?
Well, I have got at least four sequels. I have besides A Greater Plan Than This, then will come
Daggers of Glory, Immortal Invisible, Savior,
and Mary McGifford which will be a flashback to the beginning when it all
started intertwined with what’s going on in the present.
So the last story
is sort of a prequel. It’s your Hobbit.
In a way. But it will combine with what’s going on in the
present time so there will be a flashback in an omniscient kind of point of
view while these other character points of view are happening and intertwined
with that.
I see, so by the
time you’re all done and you’re ninety years old …
(Laughter) Yeah I know, it’s going to be a long time. I’ve
got to get a quicker way to get these things done.
Well, I’m
looking forward to reading the rest of these chapters, I can tell you that. It’s really been … I know it seems like I’m
taking forever to read it for you, but that’s because I’m editing while I’m
reading. If I wasn’t editing while I was reading I’d have had them all read in
a night because they’re that good.
Well thanks.
And I would have been waiting for the next chapter to come, but because
I’m editing them as I’m reading then that …
It’s work.
It’s work, right. So that's why
I keep putting it off.
I know, that’s how I was with
your book too. It was the same thing. I want to get to the end of it, but do I
want to work? (Laughter)
Thank you very much for your time. This has been fascinating, and good
luck with the work.
Thank you.